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	<title>Comments on: Never Being Greater Than Himself: Ron Rosenbaum and Week 3 at the Y</title>
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	<description>All Art Aspires To The Condition of Bob Dylan</description>
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		<title>By: masked and anonymous</title>
		<link>http://gardenerisgone.com/2009/06/17/never-being-greater-than-himself-ron-rosenbaum-and-week-3-at-the-y/#comment-160</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh mama, was quite literalistically a quote from the bard, I would never dream of employing such infra-dig verbality. Not even were I stuck inside-a mobile with the memphis bliss again. Nina, I salute your gender-neutral storming of los baricades. Onwards, upwards, marche !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh mama, was quite literalistically a quote from the bard, I would never dream of employing such infra-dig verbality. Not even were I stuck inside-a mobile with the memphis bliss again. Nina, I salute your gender-neutral storming of los baricades. Onwards, upwards, marche !</p>
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		<title>By: John Hinchey</title>
		<link>http://gardenerisgone.com/2009/06/17/never-being-greater-than-himself-ron-rosenbaum-and-week-3-at-the-y/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hinchey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think that the myth of the arc of Dylan&#039;s career as a downhill slide after 1966--or 1968, or maybe 1975--has much currency among Dylan fans who weren&#039;t first-hand witnesses to Dylan in 1966 (or 68 or 75). Younger Dylan fans (whose writing I&#039;ve seen, mostly on the web) tend to treasure most the Dylan they first encountered--which may be the old stuff (through their parent&#039;s record collections) or what was most recent when they discovered him. And even when they came to Dylan through his 60s records, they tend to be less likely to disparage the later stuff as a falling away because much of it already existed when they discovered the 60s Dylan and thus formed part of the same experience of discovery. Also, it didn&#039;t come as a shock to them--as it did to many of Dylan&#039;s 60s fans--that he was capable of merely minor work (e.g., Nashville Skyline), let alone actual mediocrity (a fair--or unfair!-- number of 80s songs)--the younger fans seem to find it easier to recognize and deal with the simple fact that Dylan&#039;s work can be transcendent and it can be completely forgettable, and there&#039;s no predicting what guise it will take next. 

I don&#039;t at all agree with Rosenbaum&#039;s assessment of Dylan&#039;s recent work, but I think I can see where he&#039;s coming from. It&#039;s true that Chronicles is more like his best earlier music in that it reinvents the genre it employs. Dylan&#039;s post-97 music doesn&#039;t do that, though its relation to the traditions it draws on is not easy to characterize. The music itself both does and doesn&#039;t sound familiar, sort of the way classical music often does and doesn&#039;t sound like the folk and popular tunes and rhythms it draws on--though obviously Dylan reworks his musical materials in different ways that classical music does. And the lyrics--the poetry of the songs--well, despite the wealth of thievings &amp; borrowings that make up individual lines &amp; phrases, I&#039;m not sure how you characterize the compositional traditions behind them. As somebody else said--I think it was Robert Polito--who else writes songs like these? I don&#039;t have an answer to that. And so maybe on this level Dylan&#039;s recent work is still reinventing its genre--but if it is, it sure doesn&#039;t strike me that way as I listen to it.  Its unprecedentedness--if indeed it possesses that quality--disguises itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that the myth of the arc of Dylan&#8217;s career as a downhill slide after 1966&#8211;or 1968, or maybe 1975&#8211;has much currency among Dylan fans who weren&#8217;t first-hand witnesses to Dylan in 1966 (or 68 or 75). Younger Dylan fans (whose writing I&#8217;ve seen, mostly on the web) tend to treasure most the Dylan they first encountered&#8211;which may be the old stuff (through their parent&#8217;s record collections) or what was most recent when they discovered him. And even when they came to Dylan through his 60s records, they tend to be less likely to disparage the later stuff as a falling away because much of it already existed when they discovered the 60s Dylan and thus formed part of the same experience of discovery. Also, it didn&#8217;t come as a shock to them&#8211;as it did to many of Dylan&#8217;s 60s fans&#8211;that he was capable of merely minor work (e.g., Nashville Skyline), let alone actual mediocrity (a fair&#8211;or unfair!&#8211; number of 80s songs)&#8211;the younger fans seem to find it easier to recognize and deal with the simple fact that Dylan&#8217;s work can be transcendent and it can be completely forgettable, and there&#8217;s no predicting what guise it will take next. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t at all agree with Rosenbaum&#8217;s assessment of Dylan&#8217;s recent work, but I think I can see where he&#8217;s coming from. It&#8217;s true that Chronicles is more like his best earlier music in that it reinvents the genre it employs. Dylan&#8217;s post-97 music doesn&#8217;t do that, though its relation to the traditions it draws on is not easy to characterize. The music itself both does and doesn&#8217;t sound familiar, sort of the way classical music often does and doesn&#8217;t sound like the folk and popular tunes and rhythms it draws on&#8211;though obviously Dylan reworks his musical materials in different ways that classical music does. And the lyrics&#8211;the poetry of the songs&#8211;well, despite the wealth of thievings &amp; borrowings that make up individual lines &amp; phrases, I&#8217;m not sure how you characterize the compositional traditions behind them. As somebody else said&#8211;I think it was Robert Polito&#8211;who else writes songs like these? I don&#8217;t have an answer to that. And so maybe on this level Dylan&#8217;s recent work is still reinventing its genre&#8211;but if it is, it sure doesn&#8217;t strike me that way as I listen to it.  Its unprecedentedness&#8211;if indeed it possesses that quality&#8211;disguises itself.</p>
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		<title>By: eruke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eruke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;oh mama&quot;?? what difference does it make? I be a woman called, in nearly all contexts, Nina.  Why would you cry &quot;wait&quot;?  Someday, there will be a female Greil Marcus, appalling as that may seem now, in June of 2009.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;oh mama&#8221;?? what difference does it make? I be a woman called, in nearly all contexts, Nina.  Why would you cry &#8220;wait&#8221;?  Someday, there will be a female Greil Marcus, appalling as that may seem now, in June of 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: masked and anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[masked and anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, eruke is a woman called Nina ? Oh, mama. Not a dude ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, eruke is a woman called Nina ? Oh, mama. Not a dude ?</p>
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		<title>By: ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ellen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In addition to having the pleasure of experiencing the class person, I really enjoy reliving it through your blog. Thanks for putting together our &quot;Chronicles&quot;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to having the pleasure of experiencing the class person, I really enjoy reliving it through your blog. Thanks for putting together our &#8220;Chronicles&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Levinson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Levinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nina,

YOUR writing flows, beads and rivulets like thin wild mercury.

Bob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nina,</p>
<p>YOUR writing flows, beads and rivulets like thin wild mercury.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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